Friday, March 09, 2007

Stick That In Your Fox Hole

The Democrats have decided to pull out of a Fox sponsored debate. I hope this is the beginning of the Democrats refusing to legitimize Fox “News” by appearing on their network. Sure, you can reach a lot of people if you go on Fox “News” shows, but if Fox viewers want real news, they need to change the channel.

12 Comments:

Anonymous drm said...

What this shows is how wacko the Dem party is becoming...

My reaction was laughter... I guess the republicans should stop appearing on let's see... CNN, ABC, CBS, NBC, NPR, MSNBC to name a few of the "legitimate" news organizations that are totally fair and straight down the middle.

I cannot believe how silly the wackos on the left are being. Do you realize how studip you look... No, we refuse to debate because we don't like Fox News, they are mean to us... The Dem party in Nevada is just pathetic.. Why don't you all hold a book burning or tape burning party.. Maybe burn effigies of O'Reily, Brit Hume, Alan Colmes, Juan Williams, Brian Wilson, Tony Snow... That should go over real well

I think Representative Obey said it best yesterday when he said, "Idiot Liberals". The Youtube video of the year by far

10:42 AM  
Anonymous Dale H said...

drm~

I see your "Youtube video of the year' and raise you, for sheer ass-hattery AND costliness, George Macacca Boy Allen! His stupidity arguably cost the Repugs a tie in the Senate AND...I've got to stop laughing for a moment...one of your 'leading' candidates for the Presidential nomination. THAT would have been fun!

As for any argument for fairness, propriety or professionalism from FAUX News, I give you some quotes along the lines of the fish rots from the head down. Though comparing Ailes to a carp is very unfair....to the carp.

"Ailes also received criticism for making a joke that compared Sen. Barack Obama (D-IL) to a terrorist in the same speech. Said Ailes, "And it is true that Barack Obama is on the move. I don't know if it's true that President Bush called Musharraf and said, 'Why can't we catch this guy?'"

Following the news of the Nevada party's decision, Zuniga thanked Ailes for his comments. "A big 'thank you', btw, to Roger Ailes, who probably sealed the fate of his debate last night by trashing Obama as a terrorist, making a bad joke about Bill's infidelities to Hillary, and threatened Edwards for dropping out," Zuniga wrote on his blog. "This decision may not have been made today without Ailes showing his (and by extension, his network's) true colors."

12:49 PM  
Anonymous Dale H said...

drm~

Rather than dealing with the substance of serious matters like Walter Reed you content
yourself with 'fly swatting' the Dems for declining to be a Faux 'News' piñata for the
likes of world class ass-hats Hannity, Hume, Barnes, Krauthammer, ad nausea.

I realize that you're busier than a one-legged man in an ass kicking contest, what with
the almost daily revelations of Republican incompetence, malfeasance and all around
perfidy, but get serious!

Also, like all of the Kool-aid drinkers wringing their hands over Scooter you overlook the
obvious. IF the Ass Hat-in
Chief had simply followed through on his clearly disingenuous statement: "If there's a leak out of my administration, I want to know who it is", then we likely would not have had to waste taxpayer dollars on the Justice Department's
investigation. Also, if Scooter had been as truthful as Armitage there would have
been no perjury charges.

Anyway, one possible benefit of the successful prosecution is laid out by Paul Krugman
in his Op ED:

"You also have to wonder whether new signs that Mr. Gonzales and other administration officials are willing to cooperate with Congress reflect the verdict in the Libby trial. It probably comes as a shock to realize that even Republicans can face jail time for lying under oath."


March 12, 2007
Op-Ed Columnist
Overblown Personnel Matters
By PAUL KRUGMAN

"Nobody is surprised to learn that the Justice Department was lying when it claimed that recently fired federal prosecutors were dismissed for poor performance. Nor is anyone surprised to learn that White House political operatives were pulling the strings.

What is surprising is how fast the truth is emerging about what Alberto Gonzales, the attorney general, dismissed just five days ago as an “overblown personnel matter.”

Sources told Newsweek that the list of prosecutors to be fired was drawn up by Mr. Gonzales’s chief of staff, “with input from the White House.” And Allen Weh, the chairman of the New Mexico Republican Party, told McClatchy News that he twice sought Karl Rove’s help — the first time via a liaison, the second time in person — in getting David Iglesias, the state’s U.S. attorney, fired for failing to indict Democrats. “He’s gone,” he claims Mr. Rove said.

After that story hit the wires, Mr. Weh claimed that his conversation with Mr. Rove took place after the decision to fire Mr. Iglesias had already been taken. Even if that’s true, Mr. Rove should have told Mr. Weh that political interference in matters of justice is out of bounds; Mr. Weh’s account of what he said sounds instead like the swaggering of a two-bit thug.

And the thuggishness seems to have gone beyond firing prosecutors who didn’t deliver the goods for the G.O.P. One of the fired prosecutors was — as he saw it — threatened with retaliation by a senior Justice Department official if he discussed his dismissal in public. Another was rejected for a federal judgeship after administration officials, including then-White House counsel Harriet Miers, informed him that he had “mishandled” the 2004 governor’s race in Washington, won by a Democrat, by failing to pursue vote-fraud charges.

As I said, none of this is surprising. The Bush administration has been purging, politicizing and de-professionalizing federal agencies since the day it came to power. But in the past it was able to do its business with impunity; this time Democrats have subpoena power, and the old slime-and-defend strategy isn’t working.

You also have to wonder whether new signs that Mr. Gonzales and other administration officials are willing to cooperate with Congress reflect the verdict in the Libby trial. It probably comes as a shock to realize that even Republicans can face jail time for lying under oath.

Still, a lot of loose ends have yet to be pulled. We now know exactly why Mr. Iglesias was fired, but still have to speculate about some of the other cases — in particular, that of Carol Lam, the U.S. attorney for Southern California.

Ms. Lam had already successfully prosecuted Representative Randy Cunningham, a Republican. Just two days before leaving office she got a grand jury to indict Brent Wilkes, a defense contractor, and Kyle (Dusty) Foggo, the former third-ranking official at the C.I.A. (Mr. Foggo was brought in just after the 2004 election, when, reports said, the administration was trying to purge the C.I.A. of liberals.) And she was investigating Representative Jerry Lewis, Republican of California, the former head of the House Appropriations Committee.

Was Ms. Lam dumped to protect corrupt Republicans? The administration says no, a denial that, in light of past experience, is worth precisely nothing. But how do Congressional investigators plan to get to the bottom of this story?

Another big loose end involves what U.S. attorneys who weren’t fired did to please their employers. As I pointed out last week, the numbers show that since the Bush administration came to power, federal prosecutors have investigated far more Democrats than Republicans.

But the numbers can tell only part of the story. What we really need — and it will take a lot of legwork — is a portrait of the actual behavior of prosecutors across the country. Did they launch spurious investigations of Democrats, as I suggested last week may have happened in New Jersey? Did they slow-walk investigations of Republican scandals, like the phone-jamming case in New Hampshire?

In other words, the truth about that “overblown personnel matter” has only begun to be told. The good news is that for the first time in six years, it’s possible to hope that all the facts about a Bush administration scandal will come out in Congressional hearings — or, if necessary, in the impeachment trial of Alberto Gonzales."

8:19 AM  
Anonymous david said...

drm, I'm not sure why you think Fox is legitimate news. Rupert Murdoch is an Australian good old boy. He has established his media empire in the old-fashioned style of William Randolph Hearst and Lord Beaverbrook.

Last October he brazenly went on the air and pleaded with Americans to reelect the Republicans. No objectivity there. Nothing fair or balanced. Just a blatant attempt of being the kingmaker.

Anyone who checks out the 'entertainment' on Fox will know that the company has no interest in Family Values or moral standards. Indeed, Fox is frequently charged and accused of 'indecency' by the FCC. And Murdoch would like to 'save' us from those evil censors.

If you want to know what kind of media Mr Murdoch would like to bring us, check out Britain's The Sun. The topless girls on Page 3 are what has made Murdoch the Press Baron he is today. Hugh Hefner may be a liberal, but Rupert's girls are strictly Tory. Check out www.page3.com to see the kind of thing Newt, Rush, and Bill can only hope will become as American as Foster's lager.

BTW, the Nevada Dems don't look stupid. Indeed, they managed to turn the tables on Fox and now people are asking "What's wrong with Fox?" What is pathetic is the parade of guests on these shows willing to be made fools of by Fox's talking dead just so they can have their 15 minutes of fame.

Don't forget. In Britain, where each newspaper is shamelessly partisan and they don't pretend to be "objective", Murdoch routinely acts like he's the one running the World. Read this A predatory capitalism who stifles competition and delivers mediocrity to see what journalists think of Rupert on the other side of the Atlantic. And let it be a warning. Unless you like your breakfast with a bit of topless crumpet.

9:04 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Comparing FOX to CNN, ABC, CBS, NBC (MSNBC), and NPR is a total joke. Their CEO's didn't ask us to vote for the Dems in the last election did they? FOX is openly biased. Don't confuse the news that the real networks report as biased...it's just that the news that is out there is not good for the neocons!

9:46 PM  
Anonymous Sridhar al-Badhai said...

Please debate on al-jazeera. Praises be to Allāhu! Allāhu Akbar!!

10:45 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

(^) haha...yes, good idea. I'm just waiting for Murdock to buy al-jazeera.

2:54 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I found it very interesting and amusing that the Air America liberal radio talk show just invited the Republican Party in four early Republican primary states to have Air America sponsor Republican presidential debates.

Air America even offered to have Fox News co-sponsor them. Air America said such a venue would be fair and balanced.

I posted the letter on the Democratic Talk Radio message board and blog.

Really like your blog! Adding it to the Blogroll on our Blog.

Stephen Crockett
co-host of Democratic Talk Radio

5:36 AM  
Anonymous drm said...

David,

could you be any more ignorant.. I doubt it. Fox News and Fox TV are 2 different entities that have nothing to do with each other. Just as CBS News and CBS Entertainment have nothing to do with each other.

I just laugh at all the anti-Fox News people. Until Fox came along this country had nothing but left leaning news coverage at the majors. CNN came along and continued the trend on cable. Fox comes along and actually includes conservative voices and you would think the world is coming to an end.

Oh my GOD DALE, Ailes made a JOKE about Obama... the world is coming to an end. And you wackos say conservatives are humorless. Hey DALE, IT WAS AN F'IN JOKE. Lighten up.

As for the US Attorney's that got canned I say, what took them so long. If they had a (D) after their name then that is all the justification needed. The problem with Bush is he tries to play nice with the Dems. He should have had Tony Snow say, "8 democrat US Attorneys have been let go in order to replace them with individuals who more closely share the views of the President". END OF STORY.

5:56 PM  
Anonymous Dale H said...

drm~
OMIGOD drm, Ailes made a lame ass conflation of Obama being hunted by two of our War on Terror 'heroes'. I GET it!

However, what is funny to you and your fellow FAUX News critical thinking impaired wingnuts falls flat with the rest of us. Real humor has some subtlety and wit, qualities which no one on your end of the political spectrum will be mistaken for possessing. If you're not laughing AT FAUX News, you ARE being laughed at by the reality based community.

As I said elsewhere, try and keep up.
Your "END OF STORY" shout out is out of date.

Tune in again this week, with that chinstrap unstrapped!

10:59 AM  
Anonymous david said...

drm, since the 8 US Attorneys forced to resign were Republicans, it would be deceitful to say they were Dems.

It is also deceitful to say that they were fired for performance problems when that appears to be untrue.

News Flash: The FoxTV and Fox News distinction is irrelevant as there is plenty of crossover.

11:21 AM  
Anonymous Dale h said...

drm~

One could easily imagine, IF one had an imagination, that the cast of "American Idol" could seamlessly switch hit with the 'cast' of 'Fox and Friends' or replace the panel on Special Report with Brit Hume.

Love to see Randy Jackson turn to Charles Krauthammer and say "DOG! THAT dog won't hunt!"

That "Fair and Balanced" could not be trademarked and that
the suit brought by Fox News/O'Reilly against Al Franken was literally laughed
out of court tells us yet again on which end of the
political spectrum both reason AND humor reside!

Controversies

Main article: Fox News Channel controversies.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fox_News

Fox News has been the target of accusations that it promotes a particular point of view at the expense of neutrality.[22] These criticisms most commonly allege a conservative bias, and cite various polls which suggest a bias within Fox News. According to the results of a 2006 study by The Project for Excellence in Journalism, the network is seen by some critics and observers as advocating conservative political positions.[23][24] Murdoch and other personalities have denied allegations of bias vehemently.[25] A prominent critic of Fox is the Democratic National Committee, which has labeled Fox News a "rightwing outlet".[26]

CNN's Larry King said in a Jan. 17, 2007 interview with the Chicago Sun-Times, "They're a Republican brand. They're an extension of the Republican Party with some exceptions, [like] Greta van Susteren. But I don't begrudge them that. [Fox CEO] Roger Ailes is an old friend. They've been nice to me. They've said some very nice things about me. Not [Bill] O'Reilly, but I don't watch him."



Trademark disputes


In 2003, Penguin Books published Lies and the Lying Liars Who Tell Them: A Fair and Balanced Look at the Right, by comedian and Democratic writer Al Franken. The book criticized a number of persons and institutions, but singled out Fox on allegations of conservative bias. Before the book was released, Fox brought a lawsuit, alleging that the book's subtitle violated Fox's trademark in the promotional phrase "Fair and Balanced." On that basis, Fox moved for a preliminary injunction to block the publication of the book. The United States District Court Judge hearing the case denied the motion, causing Fox to withdraw the suit.

In December 2003, the Independent Media Institute brought a petition before the United States Patent and Trademark Office seeking the cancellation of Fox's trademark in the phrase "Fair & Balanced" for being notoriously misdescriptive.[29] After losing early motions, the IMI withdrew its petition and the USPTO dismissed the case.[30

These issues and others are addressed in the 2004 documentary, Outfoxed: Rupert Murdoch's War on Journalism, by the self-described progressive political organization MoveOn.org. This documentary looks into the allegations of bias in Fox News reporting. In 2007, MSNBC Countdown anchor Keith Olbermann mocked them by first renaming the channel "Fox Nothing Channel", saying that they have nothing, then renamed it the next day as "Fox Noise Channel", in which he has used ever since.

Writing for the Los Angeles Times, Republican and conservative columnist Jonah Goldberg admitted his belief that Fox News was biased: "Look, I think liberals have reasonable gripes with Fox News. It does lean to the right, primarily in its opinion programming but also in its story selection (which is fine by me) and elsewhere. But it's worth remembering that Fox is less a bastion of ideological conservatism and more a populist, tabloidy network."[5]

11:53 AM  

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